and what he means, what obama means to him in this relationship. a true friend. it was very authentic. >> yes, i think it was. and i think they did have, for the first time really, the kind of environment and personal contact within that environment that made this all possible, and they all both know, and certainly they know how important a good personal relationship is on an issue as complicated and as difficult here. that is an essential way to be able to resolve it. >> john, let's get beyond -- >> do you give the obamas credit for working it out that way? >> yes, i think they both deserve credit but i think the president made a major step forward. a, in the visit. he had not visited before, b, in terms of the tone, and c -- >> you know netanyahu well. netanyahu has some rough edges. obama's rough edges he can pretty carefully conceal. >> john, why don't we talk about something serious? >> what? >> talk about something serious. >> what do you mean? psychology plays a big role in this. >> the question is, is obama going to be persuaded to go into